'As for Batman & Robin, that one just confused me. Moving on to Batman and Robin, the movie widely considered the low point for big-budget comic book movies, Goldsman is less certain about what exact factors led to the film turning out the way it did.

That was not what they were coming to comic book movies for.' None of that makes the cut because we shot it and we tested it, and the audience was not interested in the psychological component of the drama at that point. 'For me, Batman Forever was all about Bruce finding his father's journal and in it it said, 'Martha and I want to stay home tonight, but Bruce insists on going to see a movie,' and you discover it was all, he's been holding on to the guilt all the way through about being responsible for his parents' deaths. This led to an interesting psychological angle that Akiva Goldsman had worked into the script of Batman Forver being left on the cutting floor. The genre was still mainly seen as an opportunity for a cash grab by movie studios instead of as an avenue to explore provocative themes, as with the recent Joker and Watchmen. The nineties was a different era for superhero movies. And, as you said, it was a different time things that did last, you really wish had.

I'm a deep, deep, deep, deep old comic book fan and so, the opportunity to get to them and to play in them was amazing. 'You know, it's complicated because I think, in a funny way, this show that Geoff Johns and I created, Titans is kind of my apology tour for Batman & Robin because it was heady and extraordinary. In a recent interview, Goldsman revealed that the grittiness of Titans is in many ways a reaction to the camp of his earlier work in the superhero genre. It will be surprising for fans to learn, therefore, that Goldsman was also one of the writers on Joel Schumacher's campy Batman Forever, and the solo screenwriter for the even more super-campy Batman & Robin. Nowadays, Akiva Goldsman is known as a co-creator of the gritty, edgy new take on DC Comics' Teen Titans, the live-action Titans web series.

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